I cannot even imagine the suffering these families are going through right now. God Bless them...God Bless the first responders who had to witness this...and God Bless all Parents everywhere.I do not know how you do it. I am so sorry.....

Simply beyond comprehension.

I've been distraught all day just hearing this news. I can't even begin to comprehend how the parents of these kids are feeling (and how scared, confused and sad all of the escaped children from that school must be).

How can somebody do this? How do you kill innocent little kids for no reason? How do people get to be this evil? WHY?

I wept. Just wept. I can't imagine, I mean I CANNOT. My mind won't allow me to enter that arena for the fear it might not be able to find its way back. To think that some parents will now live in that place is almost more than another mother can bear. The only thing I can think to do is pray. Pray for the little souls that they are comforted now in the arms of God and that their fear has been erased. Pray that the parents can somehow find their way through this agony and come out the other side, the same people on the outside but with different, jaggedly dissected and haphazardly reassembled hearts inside. Pray for the people who might be delusionally thinking this would be a good way to get the attention THEY want, that divine intervention or fate or reality or sudden mental clarity will convince them that creating pain does not erase their own. It's all I can do.

We are all distraught, sad, confused and in disbelief. It is HORRIFIC... Sick as people are - why take people's babies??????? =(
I have been trying to keep this somewhat quiet in my house because my 11 yr old daughter is VERY sensitive to these kinds of stories...losing sleep, crying type sensitive... only to find out the crossing guard told them that a 'there was a shooting in a school and a crazy person killed a bunch of 5 year olds in a school today". My husband is a teacher, so of course the first thing she wants to know is "can this happen to dad?" Why would she talk to KIDS about this? Think about how that made the kids feel. This is was helpful to read and thought I would pass it along. http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20121214/csm.explaining.news/

So much tragedy in the world....and today was probably the most difficult to understand. Prayers are much needed for the victims families, those who survived and for all affected....Lots and lots of prayers.

I hope this will be the straw that breaks the NRA's back holding congress in hostage over gun control. Shame on any congress person that takes money from the NRA or supports assault weapons. And shame on any person who claims they need an assault weapon for home defense or hunting.

It's ironic, isn't it? All the laws written to protect infants and children -- fire-retardant sleepwear, stuffed animals and other toys with parts that can't be pulled apart, cribs and playpens so heads can't get stuck between railings, child safety seats, bike helmets, laws regarding abuse and neglect that, when broken, can lead to having a child removed from a home or result in prosecution -- but we pass laws mandating that children go to schools where we can no longer ensure their safety. I'm quite sure the parents whose children were killed today wish they had broken the law and kept their children home. It should be as safe for children to attend school as it is for businessmen to fly on airplanes, especially since school attendance is required by law. What happened in the Newtown elementary school today could never have happened at the U.S. Capitol or most state capitols, where there are barricades, security guards, metal detectors, searches of handbags and briefcases, etc. But federal and state legislators are more important than little children, aren't they? We seem to have lost our way.

I have nothing profound to say. I am just sick to my stomach with worry and grief for the families and the entire Newtown community. I went on Newtown Patch, there are posts of support from Denmark to California, post your support for their community there - it is needed.

Yesterday, there were those complaining (erroneously) about school concerts being moved. Today, we see 20 children killed in a school by semi automatics and high capacity magazines. The outrage should never be about which songs children sing (all are good) but the outrage should be about a culture that allows for semi-atuomatic weapons and high capacity magazines being freely available. We need to stop the guns now.

Keep the language clean and remember you are discussing a tragedy involving children.

50 years ago you could go into a corner hardware store and buy yourself a gun as easily as buying Advil nowadays, I mean hell, I have a shotgun that was made by SEARS and sold in their stores along side lawnmowers and toys, do you realize how many mail order gun catalogs existed, and how much easier it was to buy guns only a few decades ago?

Guns were much easier to get back in the day, so why did stuff like this rarely ever occur?

we've always had guns, so clearly guns aren't whats wrong,

society changes, people change, guns don't.

all gun control does is make it harder for law abiding citizens to go about their business, the criminal, the murderer and the drug dealer wont be affected as anti-gun fools trick themselves into believing. you'll only make more people into victims and statistics.

This is not about gun control laws, though I can assure you the Feds will seize the opportunity. This is about the moral decay of our society. Values mean nothing. LIFE means nothing. 40 years ago, when gun control laws were far less strict than they are now, did not result in the mass murders of CHILDREN while they sat in their Kindergarten classes. Our society is disintegrating at the core. We took away personal responsibility and replaced it with (insert syndrome here).

I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted that I have to talk about such a horrific topic with my 12 year old son. I'm disgusted that I have to do everything in my power to make sure that my 6 year old daughter doesn't hear about the incident because all I want to do for her is find the next place to hide the elf...not explain school lock-down procedures.

This has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with animals masquerading as human beings behaving like... animals.

I think the ONLY solution for this is to have an armed police officer(or or some sort of armed security), at EVERY School in the country, sure it would be expensive, but whats more important than the safety of our children? nothing.

Imagine if every school had an "Air Marshal", an undercover officer whom nobody knows the identity of unless he/she is needed. they could mascarade as a janitor or lunch lady, a music teacher, or anyone, and be able to respond at a moments notice.

An armed police officer or security guard needs to be on the budget of every school and moved to the top of the priority list ASAP.

As my kindergarten -2nd graders were loaded onto my bus yesterday I just wanted to hug each and every one. These little ones are so innocent. Missing teeth and what Santa may leave for them are what consumes them right now. I can't fathom how the children of the school in Conn. squash the horrifying images of what they saw and heard yesterday. My thoughts and prayers to all.

Absolute heart-wrenching tragedy. So hard to believe that it would happen to any school at any level but little kids. A few weeks ago a 12year old pulled a knife on my great niece (also 12) on the school bus in Mendon/Upton told her he was going to stab her in the head because she stood up for a boy who was being bullied on the bus. That school system did not even think it was necessary to inform the police at the time, her mother had to. How do you protect your kids in schools when schools wont. It is just so unbelievably sad.

Shame we have to talk about using tax money to hire security officers in an attempt to curb the ever-growing attitude amongst people being raised in the last few decades who can't handle a spot of disappointment in their lives. they don't know how to deal with it. they get "offended" at a sideways glance and take everything as an affront to "respect". Mental illness aside, we are the ones who created this kind of society, it snuck up on us. we never intended it to be this way, but here we are, arrived on a decades-old platform of bending over backwards to protect self-esteem and whatnot. We didn't protect self-esteem, we ruined it and replaced it with a sense of entitlement because everyone's 'special'. We reap what we sow, and let's wait and see if families and society can ever get it back to the way it should be. Fat chance, the genie's been out of the bottle for decades.

I would like to organize a vigil for the Conn Victims tonight, but how do I do this? Any ideas?
Annette Eddy

Banning guns will have the same effect as banning alcohol did in the earlier part of the 20th century. We have laws upon laws regulating the use of drugs. The prisons are filled with perpetrators: users/sellers/transporters, etc.

People who want guns will get them.

Maybe society needs to look somewhere else for answers. Maybe glorified violence in the media: TV, movies, games, etc. should be curbed. Maybe the depiction of violent sex where women are most often the victim should be curbed. Maybe respect for life should become a priority. And, lastly but most importantly, maybe God should be allowed/welcomed back into our homes and community. We are beginning to miss Him.

People who think this shocking gun killing has nothing to do with guns have their heads lodged you-know-where. These handguns are a scourge on our society and having ammo clips that allow each gun over a dozen shots before reloading creates the opportunity for mass killings.

As a Northborough parent of two children in the same age group as the Newtown CT killings, it is my view that additional security in the form of an armed guard at each school is now necessary. Gun laws will take forever to change (if they even do) and the short term response should incorporate bringing armed guards to each of the Northborough public schools. In our wild west gun society, tragedies like this can't be completely avoided, but they can certainly be mitigated. Having an armed, trained professional on site seems a reasonable step to ensure the safety of our children in school.

Will, no one here has their heads up their you-know-whats. There are people on both "sides" of the argument, and it will take nothing short of people ceasing to denigrate the "other half" and get to the table and hash something out, already. hitting one another over the heads with maxims and whatnot won't do a darn thing but make the other side dig their heels in. We all need a dose of humility and dedication to do it.

If you are a Republican you bear much guilt for the school shooting as well as many others. Maybe you can find some measure of redemption by publicly and loudly renouncing the NRA right now. The NRA is a terrorist organization by any definition and is responsible for many more American deaths and maimings than Al Queada ever dreamt of.

Foolish and moronic comments like that are why I avoid this site. Republicans and or Democrats are not the cause of this horrific tragedy. Go back to sensitivity training Louis and then take a class in common sense. Comments like yours are irresponsible and offensive.

it's hard to fathom ,to put in words ,from weeping for the families and children ,to the anger inside .When I have the images of scared frightening little children ,I just weep !! The lose of sweet little lives, as a father of 3 , I just can't fathom what does parents are going through .

All banning guns would do is create a new criminal element, and one that specializes in guns.

I haven't seen a single anti-gun comment that isn't based on lack of knowledge.

we can talk all about it we can write r congressman ,and in time we will forget ,or do we remember ,not forget ,and do something .from the first time to this time ,the guns are still on the streets .what will it take for us to wake up ? I have to,we have to do something ,does anyone have ideas how to organize ,vigil,march?

Another thing I'd love to know is why people seem to think banning semi-auto guns would do ANYTHING other than disarm right-minded citizens? the last one didn't stop Columbine from happening, so what is it going to do this time around?

Did anybody even know that the shooter didn't own the guns? He stole them from his mother.

Ryan...its not about guns. Apparently this guy tried to buy his own gun this week and was denied. So the current gun laws did work. He stole legally purchased guns to commit this heinous crime. Banning guns will be about as successful as the war on drugs. Nothing would have stopped this crime yesterday.

i respectfully disagree with those who say this is not about guns. wherever there are human beings, there will be mentally unbalanced sick people. it is the way of nature. nobody is against ensuring that such people receive the medical care they so desperately need. but i am afraid this IS very much about the easy access to guns in our society no matter how vehemently we say it isn't. if anything, there is every indication in this particular case that this individual grew up in an affluent family and hence should have had access to the best available healthcare. and it still happened.

i also don't understand this need to not politicize tragedy by asking for action. did we say on the day of 9/11 and the days that followed that we shouldn't politicize tragedy? did we not go after the terrorists right away? what more needs to happen before we come to our senses about guns? when is it a more propitious time?

Ryan, can you explain to me why anyone would need an assault rifle ,mk,automatic weapon .

Max...do u suggest a ban on guns? All guns? Im no expert and it seems there were signs that this person showed signs of being unbalanced for quite some time. Did his family ignore those signs? And what dies affluence have to do with it? God forbid one of your children (if you have them) was deemed mentally ill. Would you deal with it head on? Would you be embarassed? The scourge of mental illness is something that should be addressed before our gun laws are reviewed. There are probably thousands more shooters out there waiting for an opportunity or an event to spur them. The mentally ill in this country need to be cared for and to treated as human beings. Thats why politicizing this tragedy isnt right. Lets grieve and support families before we start pointing fingers accross the aisle.

Do we want freedom or safety ,the monster that killed people the movie theater ,bought ammunition online . Where did this monster by his ammunition and guns ?? personally I don't care if the government has to listen to my phone calls or watch what I do on the Internet if that's for the safety for me and my family ,then that's the choice I'm willing to make. then people complained that the government is involved in our lives ,so what are we to do .cuz you can't have both freedom or safety .

Dave,what about all the other monsters that walked in the schools in killed innocent children ,people,or the gang shootings ,did they have mental issues ? just try to explain to me why anyone needs an automatic rifle ?

If we want to question guns...then my question would be....Why does a woman who taught kindergarten need an assault rifle and 2 handguns? There are now reports she had as many as 3 more firearms. We dont know enough yet to intelligently discuss what the hell happened here. My heart goes out to all the children and adults that are dealing with this tragedy. God Bless you all!

Matt was there an automatic rifle used here? As far as I know there wasnt.

Dave. No assault weapons were used, it was two .9mm pistols. I also have not read anything that said the killer had anything other than the standard magazines for them. There was an AR15 found in the car which I think is where some of the discussion of assault weapons is rooted in.

we can keep arguing about politics, about whether it is right to ask for stricter gun control laws, we can discuss the technicalities of weapon type until the cows come home. but the casualties keep mounting month after month and year after year. do we want to act and behave like other civilized democracies of the world or do we want to compete with the honduras and the el salvadors of the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

So many yet to be answered questions. I, too, wondered why a woman would need so many guns... when women feel the need to protect themselves with a weapon, they often choose something small with maybe 5 or 6 rounds. Another question is how the shooter became so adept at or familiar with using the guns. It would be easily accepted if he were living in Maine or Tennessee or Texas, but in affluent western Connecticut which is almost a suburb of NYC...? Odd.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-address-issue-gun-control-through-introduction-legislation-congress/2tgcXzQC

yes i am politicizing the issue because i think it is the appropriate response to honor the memory of these beautiful innocent children. i genuinely feel this way. if the patch editors think it is inappropriate please delete this post.

Emcee...there is so much conflicting info out there I really can't make sense of it. It's seems like the first half of every article I read contradicts the second half. From what I can piece together, the mother was a gun collector and frequently went target shooting and brought her children along.

Dave and Ryan, sorry don't know what guns where used,or how the mother got them. But let's look at something else that happen in China on the same day. I mental patient went outside the school,went after children and elderly lady ,slashing them with a knife , innocent people were wounded no one died . if he would have had a gun where automatic or not ,poor innocent children could have been killed . everyone says guns don't kill people people do ,my question ,why do they need guns .The little children r gone,I I try to image they r in God arms now,he caring for them As I father,I don't know if I could handle it . My kids r my life. I can't begin to think or feel what those parents r going through,I pray for them and ur love ones.

Matt..by no means am I a gun nut. I dont own one and have no need for one at the present time. But the right to bear arms is granted to us through our Constitution. Its not going to change and the point is moot anyway as these were legally purchased weapons that were stolen. This person tried to buy a gun of his own earlier in the week and was denied by the dealer due to current gun regulations. And trying to politicize this event before fbe families have had time to deal with their own grief is disturbing. There will be a time to march and shake your fist in anger. But that day isnt today when parents everywhere are trying tl deal with questions from kids who dont want to go to school on Monday. Mr Obama himself realized that there needs to be something done but not today.

Why would you have weapons and ammo unsecured in a house where a disturbed, introverted, and nervous person suffering from Autism's Asperger syndrome have complete access?
What was this woman thinking?
Without her negligence this tragedy may have never happened.

and david i bet you didn't say not to politicize the issue on 9/11.

Max with all due respect u didnt know me on 9/11. And due to that fact and the fact that we lost a family member that day I will forgive your moronic response.

Max...politicize this when the grieving process has had a chance. Thank God the politicians themselves realize this....

Has Hollyweird taken responsibility for being a "root cause" of this killer's rage???? Their 24/7 promotion of sadistic violence must be stopped. The mass media/Hollyweird's disgusting profiteering from the promotion of sadistic violence cannot be countenanced. I refuse to be silenced and we cannot tolerate Hollyweird's censorship of criticism that is enforced by their political streetwalkers of the Left.

Next year is the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

And now a dose of reality for everyone. Yes...the firearm was the weapon of choice for this particular situation and I expect the anti Gun special interest groups to pounce on this....and I can expect the pro gun people to be asking how many people are killed by motor vehicles each year for one reason or another....
You know what the bottom line is....if a person is that messed up psychologically and wants to do some major damage..they will find a way...That's the bottom line...the weapon they decide to use is irrelevant after everything is said and done. Yes you can take preventive measures to attempt to deter the assailant from utilizing firearms as their weapon of choice...but what happens when they can't get hold of the firearms...Do they go on line..learn how to build a very powerful explosive out of Fertilizer and diesel fuel...load it all into a car...drive said car through the front door of the same school in amongst 300 kids and detonating it???
Got some news for you all...ain't no armed guard going to be stopping that....We see it in the Middle East once a week for goodness sake. The reality once again is that if someone is psychologically damaged...wants to commit this heinous massacre...they will succeed unless we figure out the root of the problem...and remember guns don't pull their own triggers just like cars are't the ones who kill people....Think about it

Dave,yes " right to bear arms". 1791, maybe cause of 1776. U know what I mean. Also ur right ,this is not time to talk about gun issue, time to morn loss of parents love ones!!!

Gun ownership and mental instability:
Two sides of the same coin

Louis what a load of rubbish above...How about the video games hids play today - Call to duty etc. They play these hours on end - problem is when they act out in real life they cannot simply turn off game an nobody is hurt

Prayers are great BUT there needs to be better gun laws!!!

Clearly the laws in place are not working. Even legally secured guns are dangerous in that we cannot trust private citizens to lock up their guns so they don't fall into the hands of mentally unstable people. The logical conclusion is to take away access to the kind of weapons that were used in this tragedy. Are these really merely hunting weapons?

The disturbed will always find a way is not sufficient argument to allow the laws to continue the way they are. You can always add that as a tagline to anything.

Let us all have nuclear weapons. We shouldn't be afraid of mentally unstable people gaining access to them, after all if they really wanted nuclear weapons, they will always find a way whether they are legal or not.

Let us all have access to sarin gas. We shouldn't be afraid of mentally unstable people gaining access to it, after all if they really wanted sarin gas, they will always find a way.

Let us all have access to heroin. We shouldn't be afraid of mentally unstable people gaining access to it, after all if they really wanted heroin, they will always find a way.

Read what happen in China, figure out the difference .

Max I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for stricter gun laws. The current laws worked here. Even if the owner stored them poorly...she was murdered. So what difference would it have made if she stored them in a safe? Stop worrying about stricter gun laws and just continue to raise good kids who respect the value of life.

dave -- the current laws did not work. we have 27 dead people and twenty of them defenseless little children. it doesn't take a nation full of kids with mental problems to cause a massacre dave, it takes just one. and what are the odds that there is one in every neighborhood? quite high i think. and reading about the kinds of wounds these kids suffered is causing me great distress -- three to eleven wounds per victim. these are sport weapons? really?

Max we could argue all night. If someone wants a gun to commit a crime and they are willing to kill to get their hands on one to do it...then how do you defend against that? Ban guns entirely? Never going to happen. Be realistic please.

i didn't ask to ban guns entirely. what in your mind is realistic? let's agree that we all must strive the utmost to raise happy well adjusted children; so we can dispense with the let's raise good kids prescriptions. in terms of legislative measures are you willing to live with the status quo?

an opinion piece worth reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/kristof-do-we-have-the-courage-to-stop-this.html?ref=global-home

Max,

It’s pointless to argue with people who want to dissect this particular horror and find small ways to ignore the larger problem.

It’s pointless to argue with people who can’t remember a parking lot in Tucson or a shopping mall in Oregon...people who have closed their minds to a movie theater in Aurora; a temple in Wisconsin; a school in Littleton or Paducah or Moses Lake, or Bethel, or Pearl or Stamps, or Jonesboro, or Edinboro, or Fayetteville, or Springfield, or Richmond, or Conyers, or Fort Gibson, or Mount Morris Township, or Savannah, or Lake Worth, or New Orleans, or Baltimore, or Santee, or Williamsport, or Granite Hills, or Gary, or Caro, or Tucson, or Red Lion, or Cold Spring, or Red Lake, or Jacksboro, or Essex, or Bailey, or Cazenovia, or Nickel Mines, or Tacoma, or Blacksburg, or Cleveland, or Baton Rouge, or Memphis, or Oxnard, or DeKalb, or Fort Lauderdale, or Madison, or Huntsville, or Columbus, or Omaha, or Houston or San Jose, or Walpole, or Chardon, or Jacksonville, or Oakland or...

The Left's (as well as their fellow travelers, the liberal-tarians) crusade to de-institutionalize the dangerous mentally ill has made it nearly impossible to neutralize the dangerous mentally ill. You must prove "imminent danger" to neutralize a dangerous mentally ill person. The assailant needs to be poised to douse a child in gasoline while holding a lighted match before they can be isolated in a treatment facility. The Leftist ideology of repealing the 2nd Amendment and confiscating firearms is another feel good Leftist crusade that fails to address the actual problem.

Months before the Newtown massacre far Left groups defeated a Connecticut mental health protections law.

Connecticut is one of only SIX states in the U.S. that doesn’t have a type of “assisted outpatient treatment” (AOT) law (sometimes referred to as “involuntary outpatient treatment”). There’s no one standard for these types of laws, but (roughly speaking) these are laws that allow for people with mental illness to be forcibly treated BEFORE they commit a serious crime. Whereas previous legal standards held that the mentally ill cannot be institutionalized or medicated until they harm someone or themselves, or until they express an immediate intent to do so, AOT laws (again, roughly speaking) allow for preventativeinstitutionalization or forced medication (I highly recommend reading the data cited in the link I provided in this paragraph, especially regarding what is known as “first episode psychosis”).

AOT laws vary state-by-state, and often bear the name of a person murdered by an untreated mentally ill person (“Kendra’s Law” in New York, “Laura’s Law” in California, etc.).

Earlier this year, Connecticut considered passing an AOT law (and a weak one, at that), and it failed, due to protests from Leftist groups.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/

Charlton Heston said the only way someone could take a gun from him was to "take it from my cold dead hands". If he were alive I would ask him how many cold dead hands of the innocent need to go to the medical examiner in order for his warm alive hands to hand his semi-automatic guns over. It is time to reform the second amendment.

It just came out that the principal died trying to overpower the gunman. If the gunman had to manually reload a six chamber gun might there have been a chance he could be overpowered?? Would more children have had a chance to hide, or maybe a teacher would have the time to barricade a door?? Do we really need instant reloading, large capacity magazine, semi-automatic guns to protect ourselves?? The guns used in this massacre were legally purchased. If large chamber/instant reloading magazines were illegal, they wouldn't have been used in this situation. Different laws would have greatly reduced the loss experienced in Newtown yesterday.

Like all of you my heart deeply breaks for those little innocent kids, and adults. I can't take it. I don't understand why it happens more than when I was growning up. It seems to be this is our society. So..

Are schools, town, & police departments looking into making our schools safer?
I have every confidence that the police and schools would handle the situation well. I want to see more prevention. We are not immune to this. If you think we are you are kidding yourselves.
I have friends that live in the city and they have metal detectors at schools. Also, cameras along the perimeters where someone monitors for unwarranted or suspicious visitors?

A security person or police?

Some schools in Mass train the kids for a soft and hard lock down (they dont expain reasons for it). From my knowledge we aren't doing this - are we?
Other ideas:
Panic buttons?
Rooms having locked doors?
A bat in the room to break a window to be able to get out? Sounds insane I'm sure. Fits the nature of the beast I guess.
Are these systems being implemented?

Carol, I am just as disgusted as you are by this senseless tragedy. It is beyond my comprehension as to how these things happen. That people would want to politicize this action before the bodies are buried or parents and family members can grieve is just as disgusting to me. And if people really think that stricter gun control laws would work then get off your butts and call the Senators you elected and ask them to sponsor the Legislation to do that. Lets see if Kerry or Warren fulfill your wish. But in the meantime remember to say a prayer tonight. Pray for the victims....their families....the first responders.....the dispatchers...your children and all of us. The moral fabric of America has been decaying for decades.

Someone mentioned to me that they thought these types of incidents were due in part to the closing of places like Danvers, Taunton, Wrentham, Foxboro, i.e., the "Institutions".....which happened all around the country.
Other than Loughner (Tuscon) I don't know that any of the others would have had cause to be institutionalized. Or is the fact that it was easier back then to commit people, resulted in fewer of these events ?

Ken, who knows if those institutions being opened would result in fewer of these events. The last i heard about this particular shooter the reports of mental illness had not been confirmed. CNNs website had a story that the father was denying mental illness. However CNNs coverage of this event has been extremely inaccurate and poor.

I am posting this specifically for Nick Pebly as an example of how people can twist wording to suit their personal needs.
And now a dose of reality for everyone. Yes, the firearm was the weapon of choice for this particular situation and I expect the anti Gun special interest groups to pounce on this, and I can expect the pro gun people to be asking how many people are killed by motor vehicles each year for one reason or another. 
You know what the bottom line is, if a person is that messed up psychologically and wants to do some major damage they will find a way. That's the bottom line. The weapon they decide to use is irrelevant after everything is said and done. Yes you can take preventive measures to attempt to deter the assailant from utilizing firearms as their weapon of choice, but what happens when they can't get hold of the firearms. Do they go on line, learn how to build a very powerful explosive out of Fertilizer and diesel fuel, load it all into a car, drive said car through the front door of the same school in amongst 300 kids and detonating it? 
Got some news for you all, ain't no armed guard going to be stopping that! We see it in the Middle East once a week for goodness sake. The reality once again is that if someone is psychologically damaged wants to commit this heinous massacre, they will succeed unless we figure out the root of the problem, and remember guns don't pull their own triggers just like cars are't the ones who kill people Think about it

This is Nicks response......

Nick Pebley
10:17 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
"the weapon they decide to use is irrelevant after everything is said and done."
It turns out that even when you make untrue statements in a really really authoritative way, they still wind up being untrue statements. The weapon this person decided to use fires roughly 800 rounds/min, which makes it the perfect choice for killing 20 children in a matter of minutes. A .38 revolver would be wildly insufficient for the task. So yeah, turns out your assertions to the contrary, it mattered greatly what kind of weapon he chose.
But, hey, thanks for the dose of reality anyway.

I commend Mr. Obama for the touching speech he gave on Friday. The fact that he is going to visit the families today is also a touching tribute. It is the fourth time in 4 years he is going to visit families of a mass shooting. He is talking about a ban on assault weapons again which is also good news. Sad that it took the deaths of 27 more innocent people to get to that point. Also the previous ban on assault weapons was an issue never touched by Obama until this weekend. The Brady group has given him an F grade for his lack of legislation, including his first 2 years in office when he had a Democratic controlled Congress. So please stop pointing fingers across the aisle. I for one hope a ban on assault weapons is enacted, but i doubt it will have any affect. Weapons will always be available to those with the means and motive to obtain them. No amount of legislation will stop that.

Cantico del Sole
By Ezra Pound 1885–1972 Ezra Pound

"The thought of what America would be like
If the Classics had a wide circulation
Troubles my sleep,
The thought of what America,
The thought of what America,
The thought of what America would be like
If the Classics had a wide circulation
Troubles my sleep.
Nunc dimittis, now lettest thou thy servant,
Now lettest thou thy servant
Depart in peace.
The thought of what America,
The thought of what America,
The thought of what America would be like
If the Classics had a wide circulation . . .
Oh well!
It troubles my sleep."

And here is my rebuttal to Nick.....
Obviously the premise of my statement is that …if someone who is psychologically disturbed wants to commit a crime like this one, they are going to find a way to do said crime. It matters not their weapon of choice….the outcome and aftermath is the same. The bottom line…which is exactly the way this thread has gone, it that the person committing the crime is the problem at hand. It's about folks with psychological problems that go unchecked for whatever reasons! If you take away every possible weapon of massacre, we will be left with plastic knives and dull scissors! Once again, ask yourselves this. If this deranged person can’t get their hands on firearms, what is going to stop them from turning a vehicle into a massive IED, driving through the front doors of a school and detonating it?? After all we are dealing with a psychological nutcase who’s not thinking rationally….that Nick IS the dose of reality!!!

Nick, having tunnel vision, sticking you head in the sand or whatever other metaphor you want to use, as to what the overall problem was here, doesn't help your cause. We had a psyhco "lose it"and you see the result. I would also guess that had the mother not been murdered, she would be the focal point as the proverbial "Scapegoat" for not properly securing her firearms and allowing this psycho to gain possession of them for had they been secured, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

Just Me....the firing rate you gave was for an automatic weapon. This has been reported as being semi automatic.

Not true Max! "...yet we have higher, much higher rates of gun violence. what gives?"

Even though by far we have more guns per population - we rank "28" in gun violence:

• The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people
• But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people
• Puerto Rico tops the world's table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides - 94.8%. It's followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean

Max: This is what gives with the gun violence in this country. We have a culture of violence from the very top levels of government down to the urban street and the rural footpaths. You remember, in 1996, then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Madeleine Albright was asked whether the deaths of half a million Iraqi children was worth the price of the UN sanctions and she answered "We think it is worth the price." We are 4.5% of the world's population and account for 41% of the world's military spending (2010). We lack self-awareness as a nation. We are a country that celebrates violence and then shake our heads about why people would be violent.

Madeleine Albright was a Democrat. "celebration of violence" is leftist mindset.

"we kind of agree with Mao that political power comes from the barrel of a gun" Ron Bloom - Obama's manufacturing czar.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/all_the_presidents_mao.html

Max: The problem may not be mental illness, per se, but people who are incapable of human empathy. Perhaps that is a form of mental illness.

This rather concise summary of the assault weapons ban was written in 2009 by Jimmy Carter:

“The evolution in public policy concerning the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons like AK-47s, AR-15s and Uzis has been very disturbing. Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and I all supported a ban on these formidable firearms, and one was finally passed in 1994.

When the 10-year ban was set to expire, many police organizations — including 1,100 police chiefs and sheriffs from around the nation — called on Congress and President George W. Bush to renew and strengthen it. But with a wink from the White House, the gun lobby prevailed and the ban expired.”

http://tinyurl.com/dx4xcgm

And there’s this from the NRA:

“The NRA contends that a decade of restricting semiautomatic weapons has done nothing to reduce crime -- and that removing the restrictions would do nothing to increase it.

"These guns were rarely used in crime before the ban. They were rarely used in crime during the ban. And, it's safe to say they will rarely be used in crime after the ban," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.”

http://tinyurl.com/d2numav

Dave......Weren't all the weapons used Semi Auto's?

Linda Worthy...what has your hero and savior Obama done for gun control in this country. Before you point fingers about a subject you have obviously zero knowledge about, maybe you should do some checking. The Brady Group has given Obama a grade of F for his term in office. Here go the whack jobs agakn spouting off about topics they know nothing about.

Your right Dave the president needs to pass stronger gun laws. And i'm sure the house will be all to happy to pass it. And i'll be willing to bet that Congressman Louie Ghomert of Texas who said the kids should have been armed will vote yes on any new gun control bill.

Carol Bragg: Paul Heroux contributed a column here on Attleboro-Seekonk Patch regarding the "Batman Shooter". It is dated 7/27. IMO, it is relevant to this tragedy.
He explains the difference between treatable serious mental illness, and non-treatable psychopathy.

Matt you do know the President is elected on a platform right? What has Obama's stance been on gun control? How about the Democratically controlled Senate? How about Obama's first 2 years in office when the Democrats controlled the House?
My stance has been that finger pointing needs to stop and useless rhetoric needs to end. But all the Democrats on this site want to do is blame the Republicans. Its sad and the reason why I need to avoid this site. There are few people here capable of having an informed exchange with.

when was the last time a gun in the possession of a responsible private citizen, stopped a gun rampage?

Max...the internet is a wonderful tool. Maybe you should look that up because it happens more than I thought. Mostly out West where gun control is lax.

Dave,
Your attack on Linda Worthy was way out of line and beneath you. The post she made referred to two Democratic presidents and two Republican president who were opposed to the manufacture and sale of semi-automatic weapons. She then included a quote from the NRA. That's pretty balanced, Dave. Carter's inference is that G. W. Bush could have fought to extend the ban.
Your "hero and savior" comment is over the line -- an apology from you would be in order.

What attack? I gave the facts and its seems Obama supporters dont want to hear them. The man has done nothing for gun control in this country. He never even addressed theissue before this weekend. Despite going to comfort families at 4 mass shooting sites in 4 yeas.

Has anyone looked up what happen in China on the same day , can no one see the difference . No one needs to have automatic weapons . Some people always go to second amendment ,do u really think this is what Our Founding Fathers had in mind. Which was written in 1791? It's was after revolutionary war, so u could protect ourselves, I hope people can really see the difference .

Typical GOP answer Dave answer everything but the question. I asked if the president were to introduce a law before the House calling for stronger gun control laws would the republicans who control the house vote yes? Will congressman Louie Gohmert who said" The kids in the school in Conn should have been armed" vote in favor of stronger gun control laws? Any new law goes through the House first. That's the way it has been and will be.

So the long and short of Smee Too's argument is Germany and Japan are homogeneous societies, whereas we have too many people who don't look like us. That is too scary. So let's arm ourselves to the teeth. Is that it? Good going.

Typical Democrat that doesnt know how Government works. The President does not introduce Legislation to Congress. He calls for it...he can author it...but he needs a member of Congress to Introduce it. Has Obama done either if these? As far as Mr Gohmert is concerned, if a well written bill is introduced, I would love to see him try and kill it. Sen. Diane Feinstein has promised new Legislation in the next Congress. Hopefully one crackpot Republican will not derail what will hopefully be a help to victims of violence from assault weapons. These weapons have no purpose in the hands of private citizens.

Max...hopefully the answer is not more guns. The fact that this lady owned so many for "self defense" is extremely disturbing. The fact that they were all legally registered...so some Government agency knew how many she had should have raised flags. Im no gun nut and Americans have the right to own guns. But perhaps legislation limiting the types and amounts of weapons a person can own is over due in this country.

The Washington Post has pictures of the children on the front page. I have a hard time looking at them. And some people are complaining. But they belong on the front page and should be a source of deep, lacerating pain to all of us including those among us who support the second amendment unreservedly.

I also disagreed with the Bush administration's restrictions on showing dead soldiers arriving home in body bags from Iraq. Our laws, government policies and actions have consequences. They should not be hidden from our citizens no matter how painful they are. We need to intellectually know, but also emotionally feel the cost we pay for the rights we would like to have as a citizenry.

This is becoming a tedious argument... The Government cannot control Psycho behavior. Guns or no, they do not fire themselves.
This Boys MOTHER bought the guns ant taught him to use them.
Put the blame where it belongs. Where was her common sense?
There have always been and will always be criminally inclined people that will succeed in their attempts. They can always find a way.
I find it impossible to believe an armed policeman at the door of that school would have fared any better than the rest of that Psycho's victims.

A better place to look is right in our own homes and neighborhoods...that kid that plays violent video games all day and night...Where was his Mother, family, was ANYBODY watching? My guess is his soul was numbed beyond recognition of reality...and nobody to care enough to think twice and do something about it.
We need to care again...top to bottom , beginning at home.

Gun control... maybe, but it's no substitute for whats missing right in our own homes...redirect please.

God save us all.

sue -- from what we have gleaned from the little that is known about this family, this woman was not working outside her home. she stayed home full time to look after this boy and was supported fully by a nearly $250 K alimony from her ex husband. in short she seems to have dedicated herself to his care completely.

Sue....a voice of reason!!! Personally I agree with all your points. But how do we force/make people be responsible for their children and their actions. So much of what used to be good about growing up has been taken away from the kids today. Gun control is not the sole cure for what ails us. But where else do we look?

If anything there appears to be evidence that he may have been raised well. His older brother seems to have a flourishing career as a tax accountant at Ernst & Young.

Max ....yesterday there were conflicting reports about mental illness. Neighbors said the guy was suffering from a mental illness. His father denied any illness. Something doesnt add up because why would someone need to stay home to take care of a 20 year old. Hopefully more info about this individual will be released in the coming days.

Sue... Maybe ur right for how this horrible act happen. But what about the others, other shootings , at other schools,Malls, movie theaters .That's the problem were over looking. Like I said before,these monsters r at times buying ammunition online. If u purchase mass quantities of fertilizer that's a red flag. I know this to be true ,my brother in law is in FBI. Why our government doesn't look intro buying mass quantities of ammunition .

There are laws on the books now here in Massachusetts than make it illegal to own or possess guns or ammo without a permit, violating it carries a MANDATORY ONE YEAR sentence. And when was the last time you heard of anyone actually going to jail for possession? It doesn't happened, the charge is reduced virtually every time.
There are also laws in every state against assault, murder, arson etc,etc., . And yet kids are killed while they sit on their front steps. Gangs in Boston kill each other regularly despite the many laws against guns and murder. The Sullivan Law in NY didn't stop the execution style murder of a guy on 58th St in broad daylight, so passing more laws that will only be obeyed by law-abiding citizens is not going to achieve the desired effect.
It would be far more effective if the money proposed for gun law enforcement was directed to mental health care and institutions, or we'll wind up with the same results we are experiencing in the war on drugs - a failed and expensive exercise. Instead of finding ways to decrease the dependency we have increased the profit.

The strikes by the unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) which have continued in Pakistan’s tribal areas since 2004 have intensified during the Obama era. In one of the major drone attacks more than 40 civilians and policemen were killed on March 18, 2011 in the Datta Khel area of North Waziristan. In the past few months, these unmanned aircraft killed more than 100 people in North Waziristan...where are the (P)regressives???

I certainly don't think guns are a good thing to access...Personally I would rather be shot that have to shoot someone...
I think personal responsibility is falling by the wayside and that there are entirely too many excuses being made for all sorts of wrong behavior. Training matters... responsibility matters. There IS right and wrong and unfortunately political correctness obscures this natural truth.
Common sense...and real consequences.

Too little too late is too often the case... and cannot be fixed by a governing body..

where are the (P)regressives??? - you can bet they are huddled plotting to project blame, and spin their next web of mis-information and deceit for their failed policies - in their pursuit of more power and control.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/meanwhile-in-nations-safest-city.html

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/meanwhile-at-elementary-school-on-other.html

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/10-explosive-gun-control-facts-how-to.html

Lol I love the Patch....where attacks in a war zone are compared to attacks o an elementary school. Its good to be back.

Did u see the offer of condolences on the NRA mobile site, and their Facebook page? Neither did I. They don't have one. No mention of support. Do they care at all? NRA members are u going to stand for this from your leadership?

Let me just say this. The republican voters were absolutely certain of a presidential win in the last election. This time they are absolutely certain we'll get nowhere on gun control. Their certainty gives the other side hope.

Does every event, good or bad, always have to elicit angry and derisive comments directed at one side or the other? Taking such a tragedy and turning into a political forum is beyond comprehension. Rather than deepen the rift, it is time to work together- unite as a nation- rather than throw angry insults about and point blaming fingers.
How about some meaningful, constructive discussion- compromise to gain an end that will bring about change? Making up inciteful names for one party '(p)regressive' or stereotyping the other 'typical Democrat'- only shows to what level this attitude has sunk.
Tragedies like this, typically, would bring Americans together, make us stronger, give us resolve to right the wrongs.
Sadly, I see little of that here in many of these comments

The gun massacre in CT is political because it happened due to our politics towards guns. Ultra-liberal gun laws foster the atmosphere and enhance chances that gun massacres will happen more frequently.

The absurd argument that guns don't kill people has been absorbed by so many Americans, they actually believe it to be true. Next time someone unloads that nonsense, just agree and say that guns dont kill the same way alcohol doesn't make you drunk.

Once again....if someone who is psychologically disturbed wants to commit a crime like this one, they are going to find a way to do said crime. It matters not their weapon of choice….the outcome and aftermath is the same. The bottom line…which is exactly the way this thread has gone, it that the person committing the crime is the problem at hand. It's about folks with psychological problems that go unchecked for whatever reasons! If you take away every possible weapon of massacre, we will be left with plastic knives and dull scissors! Once again, ask yourselves this. If this deranged person can’t get their hands on firearms, what is going to stop them from turning a vehicle into a massive IED, driving through the front doors of a school and detonating it?? After all we are dealing with a psychological nutcase who’s not thinking rationally….that Nick IS the dose of reality!!!

Nick, having tunnel vision, sticking you head in the sand or whatever other metaphor you want to use, as to what the overall problem was here, doesn't help your cause. We had a psyhco "lose it"and you see the result. I would also guess that had the mother not been murdered, she would be the focal point as the proverbial "Scapegoat" for not properly securing her firearms and allowing this psycho to gain possession of them for had they been secured, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

Paul, the gun massacre happened because of guns. Not accepting that fact is denial.

Can't the issue be twofold? Doesn't everyone agree that we need to address both the emotional and mental health of our populous as well as the access and availability of dangerous weapons? It is not a simple issue nor will there ever be a fool proof resolve, but if we deny and argue, we will get little accomplished and within a short amount of time, just like in the past, we will tune out and forget. Shame on us all for the next event if we don't act now.

The Left could not wait for the grieving to bury their dead before they took up their crusade for firearm confiscation and banning. The usual cabal in Hollywood flooded the internet with invective against gun owners as a class. A flood of death threats ensued on Twitter against officers of firearm safety groups and responsible gun owners. Politicized media agents of the Left confronted the families of the aggrieved about banning firearms. Rahm Emmanuel stated the aims of the Left: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Truly despicable.

Because time and time again we don't act and these events continue. We must act while we are impassioned or history has shown, it does not get done. Those clamoring for change, want just that. Their intent isn't political, but the issue of gun control and health care is. What is despicable is your eagerness to turn this into politics as usual. That is denial pure and simple. Your energy and anger would best be used to find resolve instead of finger pointing.

There are already 10 laws. One of them is Thou shall not kill! Unfortunetly it's removed from public view becasue it offends some people. We've really lost our way.

@DJ, that is why I posted the link to show the full context. If Rahm Emanuel has repeated the same quote in the past few days regarding this shooting, then I'd be interested to see it. I tried to find that, and I was not succesful.

Some people want to castigate others for 'politicizing' this unspeakable act. They want to say that people died and you shouldn’t talk about the issues.

But it is the shock of many deaths that has led to better lives for all of us. Whether it be the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, the Coconut Grove, the Titanic, Hurricane Andrew, the flu epidemic of 1918 -- from all of those horrors and more -- the people who would accuse others of politicizing this issue live better lives today.

These are the people who line their kids up to get government-mandated vaccinations as protection from deadly diseases; these are the people who pay for annual vehicle safety inspections without demanding the right to drive a car with no brake lights; these are the people who want their government to license and inspect their barber shop to prevent the spread of disease; these are the people who want their government to inspect the food they eat and they are outraged if salmonella makes them sick; these are the people who want drunk drivers off the road so they don’t use their vehicles to kill others...

These are the people who would parse this most recent horror and ignore the the yawning abyss we face.

These are the people who refuse to recognize the difference between an 18th century muzzle loading musket that could be loaded, aimed and fired perhaps twice a minute in battle and a semi-automatic death machine that can fire 100 rounds in a matter of seconds.

Not a gun nut here...but do u even understand what the word semi automatic is?

This is a political issue because that is how public policy is established. People claim allegiance to the Second Amendment without knowing what the third or sixth or eighth amendment says.

This is a political issue because of the vast amount of money pumped into Congress by lobbyists. If we publicly funded federal elections we might be able to have government for the people and not government for the NRA.

We had a ban on the manufacture and sale of semi-automatic assault weapons and Cheney/Bush refused to fight to extend it.

And when you challenge these people, they reach to the bottom of their intellect reservoir and call you wacko.

What has Obama done for gun control in this country? Hasn't he gone to 4 mass shooting sites in 4 years. Quit blaming the Republicans...get educated and call your congressman.

Michael Walsh are u ok with a ban on assault weapons being ownes by private citizens? If not the why sir?

How about we find some solution to our gun issues? There were several other news stories about people with guns this weekend. Mall shooting in CA, Movie shooting in TX, Indiana man arrested with 47 guns after making threats to go shoot up a school less than 1,000 feet from his house, and Oklahoma teen arrested for making school shooting plot. Yes society has changed, but so has the guns. Does anyone besides military and police SWAT members need semi-automatic or automatic guns? Does anyone need to own 47 guns, collector or not? Our children should not be in fear of going ANY PLACE in this country. Time for our society to stand up and take responsibility for our actions and our children's actions without blaming someone or something else. God bless those families of the victims and survivors of this horrible situtation.

comparing accidental deaths caused by automobiles is asinine for so many different reasons. automobiles have so many regulations and we get them inspected every year for one thing. and the purpose of creating an automobile is not to kill. and it is different on a different level. the thought of a gunman rampaging through an elementary school and the thought that lax gun control is responsible for that is obscene at an elemental level. no comparison to an accidental death caused by an automobile. how can any person with a shred of decency tolerate that?

Obviously the shooter had mental issues and had access to guns and ammo...2 problems that need to be corrected.

If nothing else, maybe after this horrific event we will move closer to a day when access to quality mental health diagnosis and treatment exceeds (or at least equals) access to guns.

When Vicki asks if anyone needs to posses 47 firearms, she’s onto something. But I think the focus should be on the type of weapons not their number.

Society would benefit if we banned the purchase of assault-style weapons and especially large capacity ammo clips. The benefit: Sick people bent on mass murder will have less firepower and thus less ability to kill. It’s as simple as that.

And the cost? The pleasure experienced by gun enthusiasts at collecting cool firearms.

Hey, there’s nothing wrong with liking military-style weapons and wanting to legally collect them. Nothing at all. But there’s a side effect of keeping that legal: The crazies find it easy to arm themselves as well.

So, sorry gun enthusiasts: For the good of society you should lose the right to purchase assault weapons and large capacity ammo clips.

The equation is very simple. I think 20 six and seven year olds deserve their lives more than the gun collectors deserve the right to own horrific weapons of murder which have the potential of getting into the wrong hands. To say otherwise is obscene and an affront to anyone who is a parent or a grandparent.

Number of Tyrants overthrown since the passage of the second amendment: ZERO

Number of murders in the US since the passage of the second amendment: MILLIONS

The Second Amendment needs to be reformed.

If you can't shoot a deer with a 10 round magazine you don't need a 30 round magazine. You need target practice.

Besides if you haven't hit the deer by shot number 10 the deer has probably run away.

Ban large capacity gun magazines.

tim,
why do i get the feeling this isn't about shooting deer?

On Oct. 1, 1997, Luke Woodham, 16, part of a satanic cult, stabbed and bludgeoned his mother before driving her car to Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., where he shot dead two students and wounded seven others with a rifle he made no attempt to conceal. He then got back into his mother’s car and planned to go to Pearl Junior High School to kill some more. But assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieved a .45-caliber pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham.

Why should ANYONE (other than military & police, etc.) be able to own ANY firearm or ammunition? Is there any valid reason? Don't even bother with 2nd amendment baloney - we have a "well organized militia", now known as Dept. Of Defense. It costs $2 Billion per day & has ample firepower. No other first-world nation has access to weapons like the US has. And no other first-world nation has the chronic, SAVAGE carnage that we've somehow come to accept as normal. Time to DISARM for real. Melt 'em all down, outlaw sale & possession of firearms AND ammunition.

Get out of your Northeast Lefty bubbleboy suit for five minutes and realize that thousands of counties in this country have one police officer covering hundreds of miles, especially at night. Just one example:

"Actually where I live - rural Oregon - we have one sheriff's deputy on call at night for the entire county. The county extends from the Pacific ocean to the crest of the Cascade mountains and about an equal distance from north to south. In short, we're on our own and unless the culprit is stretched out on the ground and the home owner has a smoking pistol in his/her hand the police mail you a printed incident report form to fill out and mail back."

M. Brennick - your Wild West fantasies are ok for watching Bonanza re-runs, but aren't a valid basis for gun policy. For each (rare) single instance of a gun being used successfully for legitimate self-defense, there are HUNDREDS of injuries/deaths from gun carnage. Maybe rural Oregon needs more cops - fine. That's not a justification to continue the savagery that has become commonplace in the United States.

You'll need to consult actual facts and statistics as opposed to your ideological projections. I'd suggest consulting the 1999 study:
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/Publications/Working/index.html.

You may also want to absorb the reality iof increased violent crime in the UK since there confiscatory firearms policy over the past six years.

However, I do appreciate your forthrightness. Unlike others on this thread who are disingenuous you have made clear your ideology call for a complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

Man drives car with make-shift explosives into students in northern China, injuring 13
Published December 25, 2012
Associated Press
BEIJING – A man in northern China has rammed a car loaded with a gas tank and firecrackers into a group of middle school students, injuring 13.
The official Xinhua News Agency says the man attempted to set off an explosion after running down 23 students at Fengning No. 1 Middle School in northern China's Hebei province on Monday. The man is in police custody.
Xinhua did not identify the man in its report Tuesday, but said his daughter was killed in a suspected murder case three years ago and he has a history of lodging complaints with authorities. Xinhua said the man did not act under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
China has had a half-dozen school attacks in less than three years

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/25/man-drives-car-with-make-shift-explosives-into-students-in-northern-china/#ixzz2G2hkkOSN

Like I've been saying all along........if someone is deranged...and wants to commit a mass murder..they will find a way!!